Your favorite RPGS

[Clessy]

Front Mission for the SNES
Final Fantasy 6(just for the artwork alone)
Lunar 1
Phantasy Star 3

One of these things is not like the others......

[Barman]

I actually liked Phantasy Star 3. Under-rated game IMO.

[Shai'tan]

uhh I hated RPG's as a kid but I like em more now of course

'DEMON'S SOULS' FTW BABY!

[Mr. Neil]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

[Clessy]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

That statement doesnt make much sense. Text doesnt take much room at all really. The only reason rpgs didnt have much story back then is the idea of them was still fresh and new. They where just growing up.

[Mr. Neil]

I think your game just took a detour to Abu Dhabi.

The story I had heard for literally years was that the problem with early RPGs coming to the west was the amount of space relegated to text. Kanji has many more characters than English, and thus it takes up less room, but English text took up much more space, meaning that the meat of the story had to be left out in favor of very generalized dialogue.

That, and the early translations weren't all that good, but that was another issue altogether.

[Thorium]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

That statement doesnt make much sense. Text doesnt take much room at all really. The only reason rpgs didnt have much story back then is the idea of them was still fresh and new. They where just growing up.

Consoles were behind home computers on RPG's at this time. Story driven RPG's first showed up on home computers years earlier than on consoles. The whole RPG thing actualy started on mainframes and first RPG's for home computers hit the market in the year 1978. On consoles the first RPG hit the market 4 years later and wasnt actualy that successful. So on consoles RPG's evolved very slowly while on home computers they evolved very quickly. On 1982 the apple II had allready Ultima 2 and Wizardry 2.

[Clessy]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

That statement doesnt make much sense. Text doesnt take much room at all really. The only reason rpgs didnt have much story back then is the idea of them was still fresh and new. They where just growing up.

Consoles were behind home computers on RPG's at this time. Story driven RPG's first showed up on home computers years earlier than on consoles. The whole RPG thing actualy started on mainframes and first RPG's for home computers hit the market in the year 1978. On consoles the first RPG hit the market 4 years later and wasnt actualy that successful. So on consoles RPG's evolved very slowly while on home computers they evolved very quickly. On 1982 the apple II had allready Ultima 2 and Wizardry 2.

No arguement there. I should of said Jrpgs and console rpgs. Which are pretty much one in the same after Nintendo. I guess I count RPGS as Jrpgs and when I mean anything other than Jrpgs I say western rpgs. I simply dont count anything thats not turn based as an rpg. Stuff like Baldurs gate just wont ever stick out in my mind as an rpg. I think of them as action games with rpg elements. Not even counting them as action rpgs. Same with Zelda. I fucking hate when I hear someone call zelda and action rpg. There isnt a single fucking thing that makes that game an rpg. No levels, no hp/mp no real ability for character expansion. Its a action adventure game and a pretty good one too. But, alas its no rpg.

[Mr. Neil]

Yeah, I hate when people even try to associate Zelda with RPGs. You know what it is? They see a guy with a sword, and they think that it's an RPG.

I once told a guy that Zelda is much more similar to Metroid, because it takes place in a non-linear world where your character's abilities are dependent upon items that are scattered throughout the world. He responds, "That's stupid. Metroid isn't anything like Zelda, because it's a side-scrolling adventure in space."

[Thorium]

No arguement there. I should of said Jrpgs and console rpgs. Which are pretty much one in the same after Nintendo. I guess I count RPGS as Jrpgs and when I mean anything other than Jrpgs I say western rpgs. I simply dont count anything thats not turn based as an rpg. Stuff like Baldurs gate just wont ever stick out in my mind as an rpg. I think of them as action games with rpg elements. Not even counting them as action rpgs. Same with Zelda. I fucking hate when I hear someone call zelda and action rpg. There isnt a single fucking thing that makes that game an rpg. No levels, no hp/mp no real ability for character expansion. Its a action adventure game and a pretty good one too. But, alas its no rpg.

Yes JRPG's are very different from western RPG's, but there are a ton of western RPG's with turn based battle systems. Actualy that was the standard in the 70's and 80's.

[108 Stars]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

That statement doesnt make much sense. Text doesnt take much room at all really. The only reason rpgs didnt have much story back then is the idea of them was still fresh and new. They where just growing up.

Oh, but the memory really was the problem.
For that reason the English translations had to be butchered; they actually take more space than the japanese original texts. Getting a decent translation into the limited memory is the main challenge for ROM-hackers doing translation-patches to this day.

[Clessy]

I only hated them because I of the technology we were stuck with. You couldn't get much of a story out of the storage space on your standard NES cart. To this date, the only NES RPG I've ever finished is Final Fantasy.

That statement doesnt make much sense. Text doesnt take much room at all really. The only reason rpgs didnt have much story back then is the idea of them was still fresh and new. They where just growing up.

Oh, but the memory really was the problem.
For that reason the English translations had to be butchered; they actually take more space than the japanese original texts. Getting a decent translation into the limited memory is the main challenge for ROM-hackers doing translation-patches to this day.

Its a cost constraint in the game. They could of paid more and put it on a bigger size cart. Plus if you go back and play anything like the early dragon quest and final fantasy the story where next to shit no matter if we're talking about Japanese orginals or translations.

[108 Stars]

But your claiming it had nothing to do with memory because text does not take much space; and that is just not true. However limited the text in the japanese versions were, the English texts had to be yet even shorter.

Using bigger carts was mostly a matter of cost; and actually the NES needed new cart designs to even make bigger carts possible. In the system´s early days he cartridge-hardware from Nintendo did not even allow bigger carts.

[Clessy]

But your claiming it had nothing to do with memory because text does not take much space; and that is just not true. However limited the text in the japanese versions were, the English texts had to be yet even shorter.

Using bigger carts was mostly a matter of cost; and actually the NES needed new cart designs to even make bigger carts possible. In the system´s early days he cartridge-hardware from Nintendo did not even allow bigger carts.

Correct me if im wrong but I don't recall a signal Final Fantasy using Kanji until ff5. Meaning that the original games took a lot of text space up because they where only using Katakana and Hiragana. I defiantly know this was the case with FF4

[TulioAdriano]

Classic RPGs
Phantasy Star 1, IV
Lunar SS, EB (Sega CD)
Chrono Trigger
Albert Odyssey
Grandia II

Action RPGs
Zelda A link to the past
Landstalker
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